4.9.19

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  1. Anonymous4/9/19

    What are the league options for U9-U12 this fall/winter? Or would you recommend scheduling friendlies instead?

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  2. Smart people know that information you do not have is a competitive disadvantage (in and outside the field). Smart people also know that recruitment or collaboration with other smart people (academies or clubs or businesses or communities), who fill in the loop holes, is a competitive advantage.

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  3. Anonymous5/9/19

    Three Ottawa teams playing Ontario Cup finals this weekend - best of luck to Futuro U14 boys, Cumberland U17 girls and St. Anthony's MP.

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    1. Anonymous9/9/19

      Cumberland U17 girls and St. Anthony's MP teams won their Ontario Cup finals this weekend - congratulations.

      Also congrats to Futuro U14 boys and Gloucester Inter O35 on their great runs as well, coming up just short in their finals.

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  4. Anonymous23/9/19

    Anyone know who won the ERSL U16 and U14 playoffs? For some reason the league doesn't post the scores?

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    1. Anonymous23/9/19

      Kingston Clippers U16 beat OSU U16 4-0. I'd say the balance of play was a bit closer than that, but Kingston was the better team.

      Futuro U14 beat Kingston Clippers U14 5-0. That game was really one-sided and could have been 10 or 12 to nothing.

      Both winning teams go on to the Ontario Regional Champions Tournament in Guelph on Thanksgiving weekend, along with the other U14 - U17 ERSL champions (Gloucester U14 girls, Futuro U15 boys, Futuro U15 girls, Gloucester U16 girls, OSU U17 boys and Seaway Valley U17 girls).

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    2. Anonymous23/9/19

      They also haven't posted the scores from the Cup and Shield finals.

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  5. Anonymous23/9/19

    Anyone know what's going on with fatdog.ca? No information about soccer this season for some reason. All they actually have is a listing of which schools are playing American football and field hockey (no scores or schedules for those sports either).

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    1. Anonymous24/9/19

      It's odd that they won't follow soccer, but are instead focusing on sports where only a dozen or so schools are participating. Would be nice if someone else would pick up the sports they've decided not to cover. I would think something like Ottawa Sportspage would be all over that (volleyball as well).

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  6. Anonymous10/10/19

    Is that Barcelona that I see in the EODSA winter league.

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    1. Anonymous11/10/19

      People should be boycotting that league until they switch the format to 11v11. While teams around the GTA and Montreal all play 11v11 indoors over the winter starting at U13, many in Ottawa still accept mediocrity when it comes to player development.

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  7. Anonymous11/10/19

    It's BCN Sports Canada. They pay a royalty fee to FC Barcelona to use the name & logo.

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  8. "...is that it’s one of the most commercialized of youth sports; it contains a flourishing industry of tournament directors, private club and travel teams, and assorted soccer-related businesses whose financial interest is served by the status quo."

    https://bit.ly/2M6ikXE

    This is for the US not Canada, but the similarities make you wonder why our Ottawa community/neighbourhood festivals, local fields go empty or without your local association's, club's, or league's support.

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  9. Anonymous14/10/19

    Congratulations to Cumberland U17 girls on winning the national championship, and also to St. Anthony's men's team on finishing 2nd at the nationals. Great representation of Ottawa soccer.

    Also congratulations to Futuro '05 boys on winning the Ontario Regional Championships (as co-champions).

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  10. Anonymous15/10/19

    RE:National Championships. I assume OPDL teams do not compete. I assume For Profit Academies do not compete. What about the other provinces? If you play in your provincial league, I assume you also do not compete? Please clarify.

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  11. Anonymous15/10/19

    OPDL and OASL teams can't participate in Ontario Cup, so aren't able to qualify for nationals. There seem to be a number of reasons for this - OPDL teams are restricted from training/games for a period after their season, so there's no way they would be prepared for the nationals; OASL and OPDL teams tend to use quite a few overage players, so many would struggle to enter teams made up entirely of the proper age (this is more common in OASL, but is becoming more prevalent in OPDL as some clubs struggle for numbers); then there's the original concern about not wanting OPDL teams to look bad against regional league teams. Ideally, all teams would be allowed to enter the Ontario Cup, and all teams would be allowed to play in the top-level provincial league based on on-field merit. Sadly, we're far from that.

    Not sure about all other provinces. I know Quebec's AAA provincial league is open to any club (not academies) that earn promotion, and I don't think clubs are restricted from entering the cup competition either.

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    1. Anonymous17/10/19

      Going back to the OYSL type system with promotions/relegations would only create the same problems that existed before:
      - Rampant recruiting and off the field maneuvers to get the best players on each team
      - Players moving from team to team depending on who got promoted or relegated.
      That was no way to develop players. OPDL is the best system, promote a standard based league where the best teams and academies play. The first academies got accepted in OPDL, soon others will follow.
      OPDL does have problems, some teams struggle with numbers, so they put on uncompetitive teams, or load it with overage players which is obviously just a money grab for the club. I think the standards need to be stricter in some cases, some clubs are not ready for OPDL: Toronto High Park and Toronto Soccer Club are prime examples of it. The clubs should just be honest, if you don't have numbers, or the team is uncompetitive, just don't enter it to OPDL. But money speaks louder I guess.

      But I do agree that Ontario Cup should be open to all teams (OPDL and academies as well).
      The average/best OPDL teams would never loose to any regional teams, the difference is way too big. Academies it's a different story, some OASL academies can certainly be as good or better than OPDL teams.

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    2. Anonymous17/10/19

      My kid's regional team has beaten some of the top OPDL teams. They've also thrashed some of the average teams - you're overestimating the level of play in OPDL.

      Recruiting is going on anyway - maybe a bit less than it used to under OYSL, but it is still quite rampant. The one point I do agree with you about is the player movement, which I think stems from parents lack of understanding when it comes to player development. Moving to go to a better development/coaching environment is one thing; moving every year or two to play in a different league doesn't benefit the player. But this could be fixed by tying pro/rel to a club's aggregate results - so even if a club has a team that finishes bottom, they could continue at that same level, provided the club's teams at other age groups did well enough. Players could then stick with the same development model. If a club has a number of teams that do poorly and is relegated, it probably means they aren't doing a great job overall anyway.

      The current system has far too many drawbacks, and I've always felt that the only thing it has accomplished is to reduce player movement among a handful of teams across the province.

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    3. Anonymous17/10/19

      The only way your son's team beat OPDL teams is if your son plays for Futuro, which I classify more as an academy. Yes, Futuro 04s and 05s are great teams that can rival top OPDL teams. I don't believe any other regional team could possibly beat any average/top OPDL teams. It simply won't, the level is much higher at OPDL.

      In the end there's other pathways, I don't agree with pro/rel in any way.
      Regional youth Teams or individual players could certainly at a certain point play in adult leagues (OCSL MC1 and Premier). That's what Jonathan David did, he never played in professional academies or OPDL, he played mens Premier with the Internationals at age 16/17 I believe, got an opportunity to go to Ghent, and look at him now.
      OPDL is a good idea, an elite league, with imperfections, but certainly there's other ways to climb up.
      I like the idea of an elite league (OPDL) where the best play against the best, competition is a key part of development, if you're just playing regional league, you're missing on that.

      Anyways, it's up to each family to decide what's best for their kids. There are multiple pathways, certainly.

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    4. Anonymous17/10/19

      Regional soccer in Ottawa is hilariously bad. It was good before the OPDL when OSU, WOSC, Cap U. and Cumberland were there. Now their best players play in the OPDL.

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    5. Anonymous17/10/19

      I agree that OPDL is stronger than ERSL, and maybe marginally stronger than CSL/GHSL. But the stronger regional teams around Ontario are generally up there with the strongest OPDL/OASL teams. The issue with the ERSL is that there might be one of those teams, every couple of age groups. My kid's played against many teams from many different leagues/streams, and I can honestly say that the biggest difference in the quality of competition is that in OPDL you might get a handful of games against strong teams (but not always, depending on how your schedule works out). The average teams in OPDL really aren't as good as you think, and the result from friendly games against regional teams around the GTA would support that.

      OASL is an odd one - you'll usually have 2 or 3 really strong teams (I would say maybe top in Ontario), but there are some unbelievably bad teams there as well. They have started tiering OASL and it has helped a bit, but it's still not there.

      I still think an aggregate-based pro/rel solves most of our problems. Most countries do have some form of pro/rel (Ontario Soccer's line about other countries not having pro/rel is BS - if you really look into it, you'll find many countries that do).

      The issue with trying to force kids to OPDL is that you'll never get anywhere near most of the top kids willing to play there, for various reasons. The reason other countries are able to concentrate the top players in one league is generally a combination of having pro clubs operate academies (more incentive to join a pro academy, where there is an opportunity to work your way through the ranks), and pro/rel.

      There are alternatives out there as well, and the number of U16/U17 players (some U15's as well) playing men's has been an interesting development, provided they continue with their training at their club/academy (and not simply join some random men's team). I think we'll continue to see more of this, as well as teams from younger age groups playing up a year. These options, combined with a bit of legwork to find additional competitive games can allow kids to stay in a training environment where they're thriving, while also play a competitive schedule.

      It shouldn't have to be this complicated though.

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  12. "This was an “outplayed and outfought by a side whose near-term ambition is to be better than El Salvador” kind of night."

    https://bit.ly/2nVZtW0

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  13. Anonymous17/10/19

    Someone mentioned a new Academy called EXUVIA to me the other day. Anybody have any first hand experience with them.

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    1. Anonymous17/10/19

      Are they still operating? I know they had an older team (kids maybe U18 - U20) at one point, but were mostly made up of kids who were poached from KNSA and played one season in CAF. I thought that team disbanded after one season though, and I'm not sure they were ever been able to put together any younger teams. It's spelled XUVIA.

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  14. Anonymous17/10/19

    I was told they were. Thanks for the info.

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