- Do you know who has access to it?
- Do they have clear privacy policies?
- Who qualifies as a "third party"?
- Have you consented to distributing it outside of "the Organization"
- Contact them and find out. Get it in writing; it is your right.
FEDERAL: The Application of PIPEDA to Charitable and Non-Profit Organizations
"As the definition of commercial activity makes clear, selling, bartering or leasing a membership list or a list of donors would be considered a commercial activity. As a result, consent is required for the disclosure of this information."
PROVINCIAL: Personal Health Information [OHIP] Protection Act, 2004, S.O. 2004, c. 3, Sched. A
"...collection, use, disclosure, retention or disposal of the information, as the case may be, is necessary in the course of the agent’s duties and is not contrary to this Act or another law..."
Do "officers, members, employees, coaches, volunteers, officials, participants, clubs, agents, sponsors, owners.operators of facilities, and representatives ("the Organization") have access to your information?
Could this be why we get unsolicited south of the wall kick-off May 26 festival emails? Is this why they attempt to advertise on this blog?
ReplyDeleteI think you're probably reading too much into it. People simply are pointing out that on May 28 big teams from Ontario and Quebec (u9-12) are coming to Ottawa to participate in the OSU Kick off Festival. People have pointed this out because this blog constantly whines and complains about being excluded from competition. Ok, so here's competition, why don't you guys show up with your teams?
DeleteYou can censor this post, I really don't give a crap!! Just continue living in your world of whining and complaining, that's a great example you're giving to your kids.
"People simply are pointing out"?... still no one admitting to sending emails with scheduled dates? Same as last year? Not that matters now. Well except for pointing out someone's negligence. I wonder how they got my personal email? I know for a fact it is not public and I strictly use it only with organizations I have given consent to use with. Not for distribution to third parties.
DeleteThe OPDP teams are going to festivals this year, festivals that are open to everyone. This has been reported add nauseam . There are no other schedules! This is a fact! Want competition? Show up at the festivals, show us how great your teams are.
DeleteAnd there is that arrogant condescending entitled attitude. We BFFs now? One big happy soccer family? I didn't know we needed you authorization or consent. Everyone be there or be square! May 28 you have their permission now! It's "open" to everyone... ...because we "trust them and they say so." People have choices now: The Elite Tier1 at ERSL or the laid back OPDP festivals. Do they need your permission to choose for them too?
DeleteI know someone here keeps saying that the only festivals are the ones approved by and listed on the EODSA website, but something still doesn't jive with what you're saying. If you look at the festivals that show who is registered, not all of the 7 or 8 clubs are registered (or have entered their third or fourth or eight teams instead of their first team). So either: i) these clubs have told the parents they are playing 7 festivals but are actually not following through with this; or ii) there are other "festivals" or regularly scheduled "exhibition games" going on in secret.
DeleteAnd please stop with the crap about having been reported ad nauseam - a person would have to be pretty naïve and living under a rock for the past few years to trust anything coming from a few of the local clubs' executives. I'm not saying you're making it up, I'm just saying a reasonable person would have a hard time believing anything coming from certain people after what has been going on (right up to this winter, and possibly still). "I'm not sure who would have sent that e-mail...yes, that is my e-mail in the "from" line, but I really don't know who would have sent that...".
I have seen the list of proposed festivals for an OPDP team, and it was indeed the normal festivals.
DeleteWhether or not there is a separate division for them, separate costing for them, etc, I am not sure of... in fact the costing does not seem to jive, because at around $300 per festival less $300 of league costs, is more than the incremental cost of OPDP vs ERSL in most clubs. Either that is through lower entry fees to the festivals for OPDP clubs, or lower tier players are subsidizing OPOP players' costs.
All that said, it does seem that they will be playing their games at festivals. The OPDP parents may not yet all be aware of this either from what I have heard, and it is possible that in some cases they may not be too excited to lose all their weekends to soccer...
"Elite Tier1 ERSL" is not so much that either... Most of those teams are absolutely the Tier 2 teams of the past.
I agree with other comments in this thread re the dropout rate of 7% in one year from the EODSA. I know many great players that are quitting soccer. None of this is going to help!
Festivals can be fun for the kids because they get to hang around together for a day or two and maybe get to play some teams that they wouldn't normally see (although it sounds like the local ones will be filled with many of the same teams you would normally have played in a league). But the novelty of the festival wears off when you play a number of them, and it is a real PITA for parents.
DeleteFrom a development standpoint, these festivals are not ideal. Shorter games don't allow the coaches and players to work through things the way they can in a regular game. This is exacerbated when you start making substitutions in a short game.
In their efforts to destabilize the ERSL and academies, these clubs are actually hindering their own players' development.
You can play two full games or 3 shortened games at a festival. So it's not all shortened games. We (OPDP parents) were told that the kids are playing two full games during a festival.
DeleteThe format of the games is up to the organizers. Internationals are doing four 25 minute games, which in my opinion is the worst possible format. So not all of the OPDP clubs are on the same page.
DeleteThe problem with two full games in a day is that kids aren't as fresh in the second game. Kids definitely seem to have infinite amounts of energy, but you'll see that the execution in the second full game of a day will not be what it was in the first.
Does anybody know if Futuro, LACA or Surad will be competing in these festivals?
ReplyDeleteOISC always. Before being "allowed and open to everyone". Who is asking?
DeleteThe Ottawa soccer scene is like a movie lol.
ReplyDeleteParents are voting with their feet. EODSA youth registration was down 3000 last year, and the EODSA did not even think that was worth talking about. A 7% decline in one year!
DeleteOPDP exodus likely. Damn not a peep. Really?
DeleteWouldn't the kids in that OPDP league still be registered with the EODSA though? I thought the clubs were telling people that the kids are covered by OS insurance, which means they had to be registered with the district.
DeleteYes, they would for sure need to be registered with the EODSA to covered and participate in festivals etc. Any drop in numbers would not be affected by the OPDP (other than that it is causing people headaches).
DeleteOPDP effect won't be seen until this year. I don't think it is going to be pretty. Playing Tier 1 to cover a club's ass wasn't a lot of fun for a lot of kids.
DeleteWhy do Futuro, LACA and Surad align with St Anthony's? Why do they not compete as a separate entity?
ReplyDeleteBecause for over a decade of applications to the eodsa the old boys club board(s) met, grinned, miniscule and rejected all applications. And instead forced an unspoken rule of amalgamating small clubs. Talk about stiffling innovation, true competitions that are "open to all".
DeleteThe ERSL only allows clubs to participate for whatever reason. Futuro players are part of St Anthony's club: they just pay extra for professional training. It's not unlike the situation for OSU Force Academy players.
DeleteReally, the league should allow any and all accredited programs (eg Ontario Recognized Academies in addition to clubs) to participate. Really OPDL and OASL should do the same... and then manage the playing levels such that teams play a range of other reasonably matched teams. Ideally that could be adjusted mid-season also if need be (at least for U9-12). None of this is hard. It's only complex because of bitter political rivalries, which imho is disgusting in youth sport.
The ERSL is a club league. They would have to ask EODSA/OSA for permission to be something else. Good luck with that.
DeleteYes, exactly. I get the "good luck with that" part - that is the soccer politics I'm talking about, and really it needs to be addressed at the OS level not the local level, but it is particularly bad at our local level. OS already has an accreditation process for academies, so it would not be hard to implement this if there was a will to do it.
DeleteThe CSA's club licensing program that comes in next year will address this - clubs and academies will play in the same leagues starting summer of 2019 apparently.
DeleteI'm not sure that it will solve the problem of trying to get the top players playing in the same league, but it's a start.
All 3 clubs have passionate people running them. Not sure why they would reject that? Wow.
ReplyDeleteIs the Whitecaps Academy in Ottawa open to anyone, or do you have to be a Hornets player?
ReplyDeleteThis is nothing more than a licensing/marketing arrangement where they are allowed to use the WC name (OSU is somehow connected to the Gloucester offering too). So I'm pretty sure they'll take anyone's registration money, because there are costs that need to be covered. Also, the term "academy" is used far too loosely. I'd suggest you go see what it's about before registering for anything. I would recommend actually watching training sessions for any program before joining, not only these licensing arrangements.
DeleteThe stuff about connecting to the WC network and gaining increased exposure to their academy is a load of crap though and that should be your first flag.
minute 26 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7jJ8C9xUcs
ReplyDeleteInteresting. So if we follow the logic that traditional "Clubs" lost 3K kids in one year alone (Anonymous stated before) and that our enlightened governing organization has said zero mention about this to the membership (much less lift a finger to work with everyone to revert the trend); and from the CSA down the main primary objective is to work with organizations (regardless of model) that keeps kids playing for life... how will this translate into practical/tangible endeavors/achievements by the OPDP-EODSA? What happens if they don't follow the "directives". That is the OPDP-EODSA mission after all. Or are they now a "private club" within the greater organization?
DeleteDe Vos is sick of the fighting.
ReplyDeleteWTF? The OCSL is moving out of the soccer office
ReplyDeleteFiscally responsible.
DeleteAt the AGM, this was a year away. How is paying two rents fiscally responsible?
DeleteConsider org. 3 is decimated by org. 2. Org 2 lost 7% youth registrants in one year, has legal & financial burden looming; for org. 3 (stable and growing) over the short term sub-letting actually saves money. It is the right thing to do to not carry the risks of org. 2 and 3 "affairs in disorder". Everyone knows that and could see the writing on the wall.
Deleteorg. 1 you mean is stable and growing.
DeleteDoes anyone know why KNSA's U13 and U12 teams are allowed to play this summer in the ERSL under Ottawa Futsal Club? I realize that this barrier is to be lifted next year under the CSA's new plan, but in the meantime, academies cannot play in the ERSL and if it's an ORA academy, they can play in the OASL. The arrangement in the past was that KNSA's players could enter as a team under Ottawa Futsal Club, IF the players were registered with OFC in the winter. This doesn't seem to be the case here. How can ERSL and EODSA turn a blind eye to this?
ReplyDeleteThis isn't very different from OSU being fined for taking a U12 team on an overseas trip - they clearly broke the rules, but if OSU was an ORA instead of a club, it would have been fine. Players registered with KNSA should not be allowed to simply pick and choose whether they are registering with an academy or a club just so they can get the best of both worlds (allowed to play in a local league, but not face any of the restrictions that club teams face).
If WOSC can run an unsanctioned league at Wesley Clover, OFC can probably get away with signing some kids who happen to play elsewhere in the winter.
DeleteWhat is the CSA's new plan? I wish this info would be readily available to us parents, instead of hearing it through blogs.
DeleteI follow DeVos Twitter, the OSA and CSA twitter and websites, and I'm still surprised by this new plan (?).
I know about the OASL coming on board, will they merge into 1 league with OPDL? at u13, u14, u15?
Will academies be able to play in regional leagues? ERSL?
Where do you get this info? Where can I get it? It's really not clear to me.
The problem for Ottawa programs participating in SAAC (formerly) and OASL is that most of the teams are from Toronto, so there is a lot of travel required to participate in those leagues. There should be no need for U9-U12 players to travel that far to find adequate competition. Beyond that, teams are normally not supposed to travel that far at the young ages for developmental reasons. Older kids are a little bit more independent and it is a bit more reasonable to travel if required u15+, but still too much travel can be a waste of time unless the level of competition is significantly elevated.
ReplyDeleteThe reason teams are excluded from the local league (or pull their teams out of the local league also) is because the people doing so know that it will limit playing opportunities for the kids. That creates disgruntled adults that might move their children, possibly to the clubs that did the excluding. It has worked, but it is disgusting behaviour.
I actually am glad KNSA is playing in the league, and it would be nice to see the top teams from the clubs in the league also!
I agree that there should not be restrictions on academies playing in any league, but the fact is that right now there are. So why even have rules if they don't have to be followed? Or why go through the process of aligning an academy with a club to be able to play in the league if existing rules aren't enforced anyway. My issue isn't with KNSA playing in the league (I'm all for it). My issue is that rules seem to be enforced sporadically in a way that no one really knows what they can and cannot do.
DeleteAs for WOS running an unsanctioned league, we all know from the OPDP league last year that nothing will happen to them. An example of corruption is being told you need to pay a certain party in exchange for something. Is that not exactly what Ontario Soccer is telling people when evaluating kids for their provincial teams?
Everyone welcome
ReplyDeletehttps://tinyurl.com/y7qdfj4f
Anyone know how BCN Sports Canada is able to operate unsanctioned tournaments? I suppose in the past, when their program wasn't sanctioned by anyone, OS and EODSA would have had no recourse against them, but now that OS has recognized them as an ORA, would they not have to abide by the same rules as everyone else?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.eastdevelopmentleague.com/edl-summer-tournaments
Good luck trying to get a straight answer from EODSA on that or anything related to sanctioned/unsanctioned soccer. They will wrap you up and spit you out in a tangle web of red tape, delays and sweep under the carpet tactics --complaints/investigations?--.
DeleteI asked the same thing about:
http://ottawasevenssoccer.com/Default.asp?id=contact&l=1
and got a "there might be"; "maybe it is ok"; "perhaps there is nothing they can do about it" answers.
One thing is sure http://soccer7s.ca & http://ottawafootysevens.com will be very happy to be able to legally pouch more players since they have a double dipping commercial competition with that new site. I wonder how they got the database of contacts?
I can't see OS and EODSA being able to do anything about Ottawa Footy Sevens, since they don't fall under the umbrella of the CSA/OS/EODSA. If anything, the proliferation of these adult leagues is the OCSL's own fault - adding division just to suit certain clubs, not following published promotion/relegation rules when it suits their friends at certain clubs, allowing players to play for multiple teams/clubs at the OT level, etc. All this has made the OCSL a joke and people are starting to feel that there is no point in even playing there.
DeleteAs for BCN, that is a different issue, because they now do fall under the umbrella of the CSA/OS/EODSA and should be subject to the same rules as everyone else.
And there is the problem... "I don't see" (shortsightedness). The OCSL has been growing. EODSA has lost players. Those are facts. However you might be right about the "can't see OS and EODSA being able to do anything"; as "the Trump" would say, do you want winners or losers? Let just get rid of the EODSA. Everyone can easily figure our where the competent organization is... competition is good. Oligopolies are not.
DeleteHas OCSL actually been growing? I haven't seen registration numbers, but the number of teams registered definitely seems to be declining. The only divisions that are adding teams are O50, which doesn't bode well for the future.
DeleteI thought registration numbers were an issue and that was why they were looking to try and start a winter league and lure people and teams away from the Coliseum and Footy 7's leagues.
In the competitive space, growth for sure --confirms anonymous sources--. However, the "(EODSA) is the governing body for soccer in Eastern Ontario. The EODSA represents over 50,000 registered players within the following geographic areas..."; therefore if you are a member they should be able to provide you with their Board minutes to see if they were concerned or knew about the numbers per category and what if any action they took for the entire membership. Or on the inverse, if they are just figure-heads for the individual club's agendas; again making the case for competition.
DeleteI'm pretty sure the OCSL registration numbers have been declining. EODSA registrations include OCSL and ERSL. I think the number of teams in OCSL is more or less consistent, but you have many players now playing for two teams. Many of the extra divisions they are adding are simply to allow bigger clubs to carry extra teams with smaller rosters - they then just decide who will play where any given week (or play both).
Deleteand yet here we are, in some anonymous blog agreeing or disagreeing and hoping that things get fixed and fair in Ottawa soccer... while the governing body sleeps at the wheel... speaks volumes...
DeleteOCSL team numbers are flat. They fell steadily for about 7-8 years, but have sort of stuck where they are for about 4-5. The real problem is that when kids stop playing for the OSU/WOSC/Gloucester clubs when they are teenagers, they never come back now. The MR divisions are not far from being OT divisions now.
DeleteExactly: "The real problem is that when kids stop playing for the OSU/WOSC/Gloucester clubs when they are teenagers"; which brings us back 360 degrees back to the original question: "Anyone know how BCN Sports Canada is able to operate unsanctioned tournaments?". Which, if reasonably overpriced, they are still able to exist, market and sell themselves to parents and now enter "sanctioned soccer". How? Those at the wheel have no clue and haven't had a clue for over 10 years. As de Vos mentioned, it is time to be inclusive regardless of your organizational status, for the game, for Canada.
DeleteSuch an over rated program.
ReplyDeleteIt's only overrated if you have a high expectation of the program. If your expectations of it are reasonable, it's really just an overpriced program.
DeleteThe OSU U14s (OPDL) have some of the biggest U14s I have ever seen, if not the biggest.
ReplyDeleteVote YES for the governance model changes!
ReplyDeletehttps://goo.gl/nSZeVX
And get rid of all the SELF-APPOINTED "leadership"
Don't the governance changes actually make OS more able to self-appoint their own board and ignore concerns from districts?
DeleteCorrect, OS appointed for election, as opposed to someone s-e-l-f/club/region appointed for election, with soccer defined boundaries and loyalties, and with likely no professional expertise in specific organizational roles & responsibilities. Very much different than (but no less important) team/club roles & responsibilities.
Deleteby 'professional expertise', I assume you mean 'from the Toronto area'
DeleteNo serious volunteer is blind to the fact the there is (in the present) a "syndicate" with their own agenda in THAT region. And no serious volunteer (in the present) should have --just because-- the preconceptions of the "old guard" & their agendas. Caveats, aside if the best person is from a shXXXt-hole country then so be it. If they are not, then: By any means necessary applies & give them hell. But definitely 2 wrongs do not make a right.
DeleteI hadn't really thought about this during the fall school soccer season, but with the girls high school season now, I was wondering why OS doesn't enforce the OPDL rule about OPDL players not being allowed to play school soccer? I know its not only Ottawa players breaking this rule, as I know a lot of kids in the GTA who play both.
ReplyDeleteWord is Futuro #s keep dwindling.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said it! It must be so.
Deletehttps://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Word
-- word --
A versatile declaration, originating (more or less) in hip-hop culture.
"Word" has no single meaning, but is used to convey a casual sense of affirmation, acknowledgement, agreement, or to indicate that something has impressed you favorably.
Its usage among young blacks has been parodied ad nauseam among clueless suburban whites.
"Come on, man, we're going to the store."
"Word."
by Greenie August 21, 2003
You'd never know it from the number of kids you see turning up from other clubs lately. What numbers do your records show?
DeleteSeriously though, I think Futuro has more teams now than they've ever had in the past. I think they're at 11 teams now.
11 teams lol
ReplyDeleteKeep up the great work!
Having fewer teams allows the coaches and director to work with individual players on their specific needs, in addition to the regular team-based training. I can guarantee you that they know how every single kid in the academy is doing and what each individual needs to work on to develop into a more complete player. I can also guarantee you that this is not the case at the bigger clubs. Having been on both sides, I can tell you that there is a much greater focus on each individual player.
DeleteHow many teams do you think the top academies in the GTA have. It's much closer to 11 than it is to 100 or whatever number some of these clubs carry. If a bigger club has 18 kids try out, they'll form one team; if they have 54 kids try out, they'll form four teams - ever wonder why no one actually gets cut from some of these clubs unless there aren't enough kids to form additional teams?
I can't imagine why a parent would feel that having numerous teams at each age group would be a good thing for their child.
DeleteFunny that someone thinks having lots of teams makes clubs 'better' or more credible. Youth numbers have been in steady decline, and that was before the OPDP fiasco. It is a house of cards.
DeleteAttention all clubs the standard to beat is (like a box store): parking joys waiting for a spot; cart bumping packed customers, and the joy of 16 steaks neatly wrapped for a family of 4. And then came Amazon... oh wait we are talking about soccer no?
DeleteAcademies for those who want more intense training and elite training. Their goal is not to have 100 teams. Traditional clubs are community clubs. They have elite programs but also have competitive and house league if there is enough registrations will form as many teams as possible. Why would a community club turn players away if they can forms teams. Is the quality there ... maybe , maybe not.
DeleteHow can you tell from U9 to U15 who may turn out to be a really good player.
Would you rather your kid playing on a team and having fun and developing or staying at home on a gaming console (yes they could be playing pick-up for free).
The goal is just to get kids out at some level and play.
Did Futuro fold their U15 team this year?
ReplyDeleteNot sure if it was a "fold", but I did see some of them with another club. An OPDP one. What I don't get is why would Futuro bother playing in the ERSL? They won't play the better teams in the region (the better teams are either OPDP or OPDL). Seems like a waste of time. Would be better off playing some more solid teams from MTL or something.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand why the OPDP clubs won't play their better teams in the T1 ERSL at the U9-U12 level? And then they call their second tier teams tier 1 so nobody really knows what the playing level might be?
ReplyDeleteThe whole point of the OPDP was to give the mixed club/academies like Futuro a poor set of options, weakening them as competition, while also cutting out some of the smaller clubs that produced inconsistent teams.
DeleteCause the ERSL sucks.
ReplyDeleteOPDL really isn't much better. For anyone that was at the Umbro top rated tournament this weekend, there was a lot of grumbling and whispering going on about the OPDL results across the board. Worst part is it wasn't only the result, but the level of play in many cases was far below their non-OPDL competition. The results seemed to be worse at the younger ages, with some people suggesting the only reason the older age groups fared somewhat better is that non-OPDL players get pressured by the OSA to move to OPDL teams over time - it seems that the older age groups are relatively stronger than the younger age groups, but only because they've poached more players over time that were developed by other clubs.
DeleteI do agree that the OPDL is generally more competitive than the ERSL, but this past weekend's tournament had a lot of people questioning whether the travel and associated costs are worth it for a marginally stronger league.
Was Futuro at the OSU tournament last week? If not, why? I thought they wanted the option to play the OPDP?
ReplyDeleteMany of the out of town teams often contact Futuro about arranging friendlies while they're in town. Not so much at U13 and above because they play over two days, but with the one-day festivals at the younger ages they do. You at least know what you're getting, rather than paying a registration fee to someone you can't trust will group your team properly.
DeleteWho would want to give up a weekend to play a bunch of short games against teams of questionable quality? Why not play one regular game, even just a friendly game? Oh wait, JL told the EODSA that they won't play Futuro.
ReplyDeleteI heard WOS boycotted the OSU festival? What's going on there?
Clubs stealing players from each other, etc., etc. The usual bullshit. WOSC and OSU will destroy the small clubs, then the EODSA, then the OCSL, then they will turn on each other.
DeleteBest organized festival I've ever seen. Great teams from Quebec and Toronto (Impact academy, Longueil, CSMRO, Durham, Brossard, Oakville, North Toronto, etc etc). Overall a great experience for the local Ottawa players.
DeleteBut please don't let the facts get in the way of your negativity and ignorance.
What a bunch of low lifes!
oh oh someone forgot their chill pill
DeleteI assume it's JL who posted the comment about it being the best organized festival he's ever been to, but in any case, I wasn't saying that there weren't good teams entered. Just that we all know that the organizers wouldn't group the Futuro teams with the stronger teams. So why would anyone pay to enter something where they know they won't be treated fairly?
DeleteThe Montreal Impact Academy is of questionable quality? OSU Black is of questionable quality?
ReplyDeleteWhat are the odds of being grouped with the Impact? It obviously isn't by a draw, since OSU makes sure their teams get to play the Impact.
ReplyDeleteFuturo plays against the Impact anyway - why enter a festival where there is about a 0% chance you would get to play them (and in a short game, at that).
How does Futuro do against the Impact?
ReplyDeleteVaries game to game, team to team, year to year, but the games are generally very competitive. There has been the odd blowout on both sides over the years, but usually very close.
Delete“The Canadian pathway is not the easiest thing in the world”
ReplyDeletehttps://goo.gl/oUBQ7L
That is squarely on CSA for allowing an American professional league to access the prime Canadian markets but at the league-level treat Canadian players as imports.
DeleteI was looking at the Roster of the Futuro U17s who were at the recent showcase. What is the percentage of the players that were developed by Futuro 5 years ago. Not stiring the pot, I am just curious. It is a good team, but how many of those players were elsewhere 4 years ago?
ReplyDeleteFuturo U13s and U14s should be playing up a year in the ERSL, or are they already? Please clarify. I see a U13 and U14 Futuro team.
ReplyDeleteThose two teams are both playing at their own ages. I think each of those teams has quite a few players that should probably be playing up, but that doesn't mean the whole team should play up. The physical side of it can be an issue as well - there can be significant size differences at these ages, so the risk of injury increases if they play up.
ReplyDeleteNot much that can be done about it because of all the rule and restrictions, but the ideal would be that teams play at their own age against teams of comparable skill levels. Individuals who are excelling can either play up or be called up as warranted.
Yikes. I don't see the other teams being competitive with them then. Especially the 05s.
ReplyDeleteI see a lot of impact, tfc, etc academies, where does fury fit into all this?
ReplyDeleteThey don't.
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