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"For greater clarity" the exact targeted wording
[Hypocritical] b randing rules : " except for sponsorship branding " " sponsor may not be a soccer club, which is not recog...
And start to be smart and concentrate on the job that needs to get done (https://www.facebook.com/EEPJuliePayette/photos/a.578827068959276/1098731660302145/?type=3&theater).
ReplyDeleteGuy runs over three leagues and three management boards in a year and a half at EODSA without once asking members what they want, then says we need consensus because there is too much conflict. Interesting.
ReplyDeleteWasn't he of St Anthony? Which leagues?
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DeleteRuns over, as in the EODSA board he is on curbstomped the ERSL, eliminated Futsal, and is now turning to the OCSL.
ReplyDeleteHe really wouldn't have had much influence on the EODSA board. I assume he was only doing it to do what he could to prevent the board from being made up entirely of people from the clubs looking to hijack it. Probably gave the rest of the soccer community more insight into what was going on than people would have otherwise had. And it was definitely confrontational - it couldn't have been a comfortable environment for him to sit through those meetings with some of the others.
DeleteAssumption of an individual's guiltiness because of the whole exemplifies so much so why the discussion(s) must happen. EODSA silence to its membership [as has been correctly pointed out] hasn't helped either while at the same time arming their ammunition getting ready for a fight: "Letter Regarding District Leagues".
Delete"Irregular warfare" (analogy only of course) or civil / legal disobedience can and will be more disruptive and painful to everyone should all sides decide to go that way.
This might be a case of mistaken identity. The bio does say he was part of a "comp regional team for a small club" in last 5 yrs. One vote on EODSA from a small club doesn't carry a lot of sway but the position allows for representation none-the-less. Imho.
ReplyDeleteOttawa Gloucester are signed up as Ottawa Gloucester Futsal in EODSA Winter League.
ReplyDeleteI thought EODSA was running futsal in the winter as well. I'm pretty sure there would be some other clubs participating too.
DeleteEODSA's futsal league collapsed, I think mostly because a couple of clubs chose to run in-house instead. So the OCFL is gone, replaced by a couple of house leagues around town. That is likely what will happen with the remnants of the ERSL, and maybe the OCSL eventually too.
Deletelol didn't the OPDP have their own tied in a nice little bow? "a couple of clubs" sounds like the usual suspects (clubs). This is how they want to inspire confidence running the entire thing?
DeleteA St Anthony's (Futuro...) guy on the Board at EODSA? lol, that must make for interesting meetings with OSU and WOSC.
ReplyDeleteHarold is a good guy and if more people would get on board with this constructive and cooperative approach, soccer in Ottawa would be much better than it is today.
DeleteBtw, he represents the St Anthony's club side of things. Futuro is part of St Anthony's, but he works with all teams and programs in the club. I would not call him a "Futuro guy" per se.
Not really sure why there needs to be so much animosity in Ottawa youth soccer... The "we won't play so and so" nonsense is not good for the kids. In my observation, it is mainly a unidirectional phenomenon. Eg Futuro teams would gladly play OSU.
ANyone know what the outcome of the OCSL SGM was? Ottawa soccer seems to be heading toward completely breaking apart.
ReplyDeleteWhat's going on with the Ottawa District Futsal League? It was supposed to be run under Soccer Outaouais and was to include teams from Ontario and Quebec, but it doesn't look like that happened, and the ODFL doesn't seem to exist anymore? What a friggin mess these clubs are making of this district.
ReplyDeleteEODSA was going to run it, then Soccer Outaouais, and neither got organized enough to make sure there were enough teams. ODFL has disbanded, so now there is nothing but the club house leagues, which was probably the idea all along.
DeleteWhen the EODSA ran the winter league a few years back, they used to put out schedules only for the current week, so you didn't really know when you would be playing past that. To make it worse, they sometimes only issued the schedule on Friday for the following day's games. This was happening because OSU and WOS would constantly complain about where and when their teams were scheduled to play, so the district had to run the schedules by them (seriously), then make changes, then run it by them again,...fast forward a few years, and there still isn't a schedule out for the winter league. I realize the season hasn't quite started yet, but I'm not expecting a whole lot from these people.
DeleteNovember 10 start apparently.
ReplyDelete"The OCSL membership does not authorize the league management board to transfer the District Competitive Divisions to the Eastern Ontario District Soccer Association and will postpone reconsideration of the question on the floor until such time as the EODSA membership holds a meeting to consider the matter in accordance with the Constitution of the EODSA.”
ReplyDeleteSo, the Association can't run a youth dev winter league because of the whims of two clubs (mutually assured destruction); continued silence, lack of planning and "we should just take their word for it because they are trustworthy?". Forget the "Technical Leadership"; bring in the financial leadearship, the public leadership, the sports leadership, heck... the spiritual leadership. They really running the EODSA as a front. It's all window dressing.
DeleteRe the OCSL letter this is a working link: https://ocsl.e2esoccer.com/Downloads/Letter_to_EODSA_Post_Oct_SGM.pdf
There is EODSA futsal as well this year. A combination of both.
ReplyDeleteI noticed that athletes who played (at least 4 of them) for the OPDP teams made the U17 (3 girls) and U20 (1 young man) National rosters this past week. Out of curiosity, did any Futuro athletes make these rosters?
ReplyDeleteFuturo's oldest boys team are 2001's, so none would be U20. I think the oldest girls team are 2003's, so again, younger than this age group. It is possible that some of them have trained with Futuro as supplementary training - there are a number of kids around who have done this, including some senior national team players, but don't know about these for sure.
DeleteThere is a 2001 girl who plays on the boys team that has been with the Costa Rican national team system for a while now, and there is a 2001 boy who is on the Haitian U20 team.
Is there a Polar Bear League?
ReplyDeleteOntario Soccer sends out membership satisfaction survey that somehow manages to avoid all of the divisive issues of the past two years. Like anyone gives a crap about the logo.
ReplyDelete"There are no elite sports camps or high-level athletic organizations that are run out of the school, he said, adding he was unaware of any that operated with his students around the neighbourhood."
Delete(https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-east-end-schools-first-city-sports-championship-was-103-years-in-the/)
And while logos, pricey festivals, and M-O-N-E-Y is all the local NOT-FOR-PROFITs have in mind; this story can easily be transposed to Ottawa-Gatineau. SO long as you forget YOU ARE part of the neighbourhood; you will get unsanctioned competition in YOUR neighbourhood.
https://ocsl.e2esoccer.com/Downloads/EODSA.Letter[F][OCSL-Membership_Status][20181107]_-_Signed.pdf
ReplyDeleteThe big clubs are tired of having small clubs around.
ReplyDeleteYep. Why doesn't the ocsl just go at it alone? half to two-thirds the clubs still a viable competition : )
DeleteSmall clubs with youth would be screwed. That is probably the idea.
DeleteAnd with that knowledege (give-in now without a fight or bruised later after the fight); the only possible outcome in sanctioned soccer, people should already know that ERSL, OCSL, futsal, rural, small, academies, etc. get screwed or obliterated anyway. And OS can not or will not do anything to rectify the current state of things,
DeleteAlternatively, unsanctioned (ERSL + OCSL + EDL + Hull + Chelsea + Aylmer + the City + others) can create a viable option. Those entities already have what any other business would kill to have: "an in" with experienced staff, logistics and trusted relationships. Why throw that away?
Remember this: https://ocsl.e2esoccer.com/ViewArticle.aspx?NewsID=3210 the "interest from certain OCSL members" proves we are not the only one who think this second otion is viable.
But the descicion needs to happen now; for 2019. There is no luxury of time and wait for analysis, surveys, assemblies, SGMs, etc. The two-faced clubs have demonstrated the stab on the back and dirty play. Time to switch it on them... cheaper, more versatile local soccer scares them.
The 'interest from certain OCSL members' was the two-faced clubs. They have been pushing EODSA out of OS all along, chasing their Capital Zone idea or whatever they are calling it now.
DeleteExactly. If those two-faced clubs with a majority of youth teams thought it was viable alternative; for all others it shouldn't be difficult to set up weekend festivals (if that is what you/they want) or regular tournament. The point is take the idea from them without their input. That scares the shit out of them. OS has demonstrated to be on perpetual stand-by, governance model and logo design priorities.
DeleteWhat? Seriously?
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Dear Members, Please be advised that effective immediately, Ian Duncanson is no longer with the EODSA. We thank him for his time with the EODSA and we wish him all the best moving forward.
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'effective immediately...no longer with', so either fired on the spot or walked out with no notice. Town hall tomorrow should be cheerful. Taking over all the leagues, while staff turnover is near total.
DeleteAnyone have any inside info on what happened?
Fed up with the powers that be who actually hold the reins of power and direction very likely. This is a person who has/had a long history of experience and participation in "sanctioned" soccer. ...And he gave up. Why would anyone spend any more cycles or give an ounce more on a lost cause? The time is now for the ERSL + OCSL + EDL + Hull + Chelsea + Aylmer + the City + others to associate on a new UNSANCTIONED organization and move on. Yes the impact will be wide ranging to different stake holders; but your alternative will not be any less detrimental in the medium to long run.
DeleteDuncanson has been pushing this restructuring as much as anyone. No one really wants radical change, to either an unsanctioned organization or the new EODSA Duncanson and the big clubs have been pushing. Ontario Soccer isn't perfect, but most of the issues OSU and WOSC have with OS don't even matter to most of us.
DeleteClubs should just let the almighty to provide. that is the order of things.
DeleteSoccer associations in general not being "perfect" is a tad of a withewash. While in parallel, Lady Justice (legal system) strives to be blind; on the other, obnoxious soccer discipline system (while gracefully using legalese words such as appeals, rights of..., out of order, etc) is but the opposite and inherently biased to satisfy the needs of privilege clubs, associations and leagues. ...And we haven't even started to tally-up the fines given to those undeserving; and the fines waived to those who deserve it the most. Yet here we are, nothing happens, employees and volunteers, large clubs and small clubs are treated differently, and everyone is happy right?
DeleteKevin Nelson posted the following. Anyone knows anything about what is going on?
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136 Years later and the struggle still continues.
In the coming days , I Kevin Nelson will face a Case at Ontario Soccer that's been brought againts me by the local Soccer Ottawa District (EODSA) for doing good work.
This is one of the many cases I have forth directly an indirectly in the last 5 years of KNSA existence and have won them all.
We face all forms of Human Segregation - Still nursing my foreparents wounds.
We will fight this struggle, don't give up now I say⚽
Ontario Soccer discipline is about as transparent as the election of a pope. We wait for the smoke.
DeleteDidn't he recently finish a 3 month suspension for something (not sure for what)? I wonder if he might have stayed involved during that time? Just speculating.
DeleteAny word on what happened with this disciplinary hearing and what it was about?
DeleteTwo clubs specifically have been going out of their way to get rid of him, even going so far as threating facilities that if they rent dome/field time to KNSA, they will no longer book time there. Not that they need the time slots - they're just being dicks. Don't know what the exact issue is, but I'm pretty certain I know who's behind it.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he can pick up some of that dome time that EODSA is dumping
DeleteIt's war in youth soccer Ottawa:
DeleteFuturo vs OSU, WOS vs OSU, KNSA vs Ottawa clubs. In war, anything goes.
Unfortunately, the kids aren't benefiting from any of this BS.
No kidding. Does anyone think kids would be opposed to playing against KNSA, or Futuro, or WOS, or anyone else? Does anyone think the parents would be opposed? This is all being driven by a couple of individuals at the bigger clubs who have a personal stake in limiting options for kids.
DeleteFucking classic, the EODSA holding a town hall on adult soccer to which they are inviting nobody. Just a note on the website so they can say they did it.
ReplyDeleteWould the OCSL not email all the clubs?
ReplyDeleteWhy would the OCSL be promoting an EODSA town hall?!?
DeleteBecause the EODSA is looking at taking control of the adults leagues which is, I think, against the desire of the greatest majority of the adults clubs...
DeleteAnyone who went to the youth town hall would tell you this one is going to be a waste of time too. No real info, and they don't give a crap what you have to say.
DeleteI was in Toronto the other day and parents tell me they hear Ottawa is an absolute disaster for infighting. Toronto is reasonably under control.
ReplyDeleteWas the infighting there before the creation of OSU?
Ottawa and London would be by far the two worst from what I hear. In the past, clubs were operated as community clubs, so this type of thing wasn't going on. Some of the clubs are in reality businesses operated by certain individuals - while the clubs are still officially not-for-profit organizations, there are significant funds being flowed out from the clubs to these people as fees for services. There is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but the problem is the Canadian system is set up in a way that these individuals can take control of a district to further the own financial benefit.
ReplyDeleteAnyone remember a couple of years ago when KNSA's teams were entering the summer league through the Ottawa Futsal Club? OSU actually filed a complaint with the EODSA to prevent those kids from playing in the summer league. Ottawa Futsal League and KNSA successfully appealed and were allowed to play, so as retaliation, OSU started it's own futsal league the following fall and bought the domain name ottawafutsal.com, just to confuse things with the long-running OFC that uses futsalottawa.com. That pretty much sums up the type of stuff that's been going on here in Ottawa. Some horrible people involved in Ottawa soccer.
ReplyDeleteI think it was OSU's insistence on running their own futsal that put the nail in the futsal league's coffin - after pushing the importance of EODSA taking it over.
DeleteOttawa Futsal Club is still going strong and they actually running semi competitive divisions because the ODFL got killed. Kids play in OSU's and then go to the OFC to play since OSU's is just a money grab with 3 or 4 age groups merged together in one division to get 4 teams. Ottawa District Futsal League (ODFL) is dead. The EODSA was to take over the ODFL and run it with Gatineau. However the clubs that said they were interested all pulled out at the last minute. That and other things probably got Ian to leave.
DeleteEODSA has apparently stuck a couple of clubs with large dome bills, and they were still selling off permits a couple of weeks ago. We probably won't get to look at the real costs of the winter league, but it doesn't sound good.
DeleteOn what basis did they stick them with large bills? Wouldn't it just be based on number of games/time used?
DeleteAnyone remember festival emails with up to 3 month schedules being sent out? Anyone remember those emails being proof if rules being broken? Anyone remember nothing happening from that? Anyone remember a club being punished according to the rule of law and not to the "rule of privilege"?
ReplyDeleteTime to pick sides. Time for drastic changes.
No, things are not fine. No, things can not wait 2, 3, 4 years for change. And no people are not happy. Anything else is white-washing what is happening in soccer, paid soccer services and money exchanges for those services.
OPDP Town Hall Meeting for Clubs with Adult teams – December 5, 2018
ReplyDeleteWill they have a parliamentarian and legal council to challenges on quorum & voting structure for adult only issues? Stay tuned for an exciting episode...
I didn't really understand the two questions, but it sounded like the EODSA lady agreed appeals were going to cost $500 now, and have to be at Ontario Soccer.
DeleteSoccer culture is broken, from the top down. Look at what is happening to the Fury with CONCACAF.
ReplyDelete"This watershed moment for Canada Soccer is further proof that Canada is a leading soccer nation" said Steven Reed Canada Soccer president (about Nike sponsoring the Canadian National team)
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I should laugh or cry. Soccer governance in Canada is delusional.