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20.4.21
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"For greater clarity" the exact targeted wording
[Hypocritical] b randing rules : " except for sponsorship branding " " sponsor may not be a soccer club, which is not recog...
you forgot "virtual e-learning" classes. Get your vaccine soonest.
ReplyDeleteOttawa don't let this happen here again. 2018 greedy deja vu! Rich shit smells just as bad. https://mashable.com/video/corden-european-super-league
ReplyDeleteYou won't see soccer in Ontario for a VERY long time. Some clubs may fold.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Health restrictions observed and aside; an unprecedented and even greater pool of "on-demand/Gig economy" [sports] soccer enthusiasts is out there seeking flexible formats that meets their needs, social media use, technologies & rapid mobility. "Sanctioned" clubs that adjust to that reality and take the o-p-p-o-r-t-u-n-i-t-y that is in front of them can sustenance during these scanty times and be setup to reap the benefits later. Yes, that means challenging the "Command Economy" Soccer authorities.
DeleteThe big three should be safe, but I am not sure about the others.
ReplyDeleteFuturo should be safe as well actually. Imagine being a Gloucester, Nepean, Ottawa City and Internationals right now?
Yep "dishonest people"; "criminals".
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/apr/23/chaos-collapse-european-football-not-so-super-league-podcast
Sound familiar Ottawa 2018?
And in case you don't het what this is like today and similarly in 2018:
ReplyDelete"the worst kind of greed"
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What is the inside word. Are we back on the field after the long weekend?
DeleteJune 30th, life returns.Yeah!
ReplyDeleteHow many teams under the St Anthony flag this year?...…..
ReplyDeleteThe "Lease" lol.
What's going on with Internationals? I noticed that they haven't entered any teams in the ERSL (neither in regional, nor in the district divisions). Team registration deadline was yesterday.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely looks like they're having problems. On another note, did LACA end up folding? It looks like Rockers took over all their OCSL spots and gave them a couple of teams to play under Rockers.
DeleteDid they fold? Unrelated: Is there a OPDL this year? Another observation..….why do soccer #s in Ottawa keep decreasing?
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Deletemissing flag post $25
player with missing ID $50
player not in (office type) roster $250
late (lumped into abandoned) game $500
participating in our (glorious leader) "unsanctioned" festival $2500
asking for clarification to be told to read the same stuff we asking about - $0
for everything else there is VISA. It's everywhere you want to be. Or rather Soccer7s, OSSC, OZDome, Footy Sevens, Coliseum, Ottawa Soccer FB,
It looks like they've entered a handful of teams in the OCSL, but nothing in ERSL. Doesn't sound good for them. Wonder if they over-extended themselves with their turf fields and were done in by a decline in registrations.
DeleteWe are told OPDL will run a full season tentatively staring July 24th.
DeleteOSU seems to have scrapped all of their adult teams, with the exception of one women's rec team. Seems odd.
ReplyDeleteAnd who is Mundial FC and how can they just be given a spot in MC2 ahead of other existing clubs?
Mundial is leftovers from the Barcelona FC fiasco.
ReplyDeleteBut how would they get a spot in MC2? BCN Sports didn't have any adult teams.
DeleteOSU were never really a big adult club. Money comes from the Kids.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely less profit in adult soccer, but they had their usual adult teams registered up until a couple of days ago, then were removed from the OCSL division configurations.
DeleteWhat is going on with OPDL this year?
ReplyDeleteWe are told OPDL will run a full season tentatively staring July 24th. Tentative schedule expected out this week.
DeleteWord is there might be changes. Ottawa teams are sick of travelling to Toronto, and I don't blame them....
ReplyDeleteThe U13 and U14 OPDL division are running a pilot season this year where they play against National licence holders from the Quebec province. It would be a big upgrade to that league.
DeleteDoesn't look like the Ottawa teams are an upgrade to that Quebec league based on last week's results. Heard from a couple of people in Montreal that there are already rumblings about the Ottawa teams not being able to compete.
DeleteInternationals will play in the fall session. Does anybody know if FUTURO will be playing their teams up a year? Seems like a waste of time to play their own age. You'll notice other clubs play up a year often. OSU black at U 12 often do this.
ReplyDeleteFuturo tend to play individual players up (and/or train up), but generally not entire teams until they get to the older age groups. It would be pretty rare that every kid on a team should be playing up, with the issue typically being physical. The ERSL games themselves are treated more as training sessions, as they tend to play alot of competitive games outside of the league.
DeleteRisky move by Internationals - I would expect some kids will have moved elsewhere at least for the first part of the season, in which case there is a risk they don't return. Hard to believe that they weren't able to get organized like other clubs.
It could be that I've forgotten what it was like prior to the pandemic, but anyone else see some pretty pathetic scenes from parents at the younger age groups over the weekend?
ReplyDeleteIt seemed worse that in the past to me as well. I think alot of kids hadn't done very much until recently, so I've seen more lopsided games than typical. You see it in the scores at the older age groups, but it's the younger age groups where parents seem to go overboard - they don't take it well when their kids are on the wrong end of those games.
ReplyDeleteOttawa OPDL teams seem to be doing well. Some say OPDL is over rated though, so who knows. Bit of a cash grab.
ReplyDeleteI am with an OPDL club and while the experience for the boys is unique and professional, the logistics for Ottawa teams takes too much and I don't know if smaller club will be able to sustain enrollment for such a pricey program. A bit of a cash grab indeed.
DeleteDefinitely a cash grab - I've heard it's the only program that Ontario Soccer makes money from, with the rest of their activities operating at losses. Also, you really notice that clubs talk out of both sides of their mouths - they tell you OPDL is where you need to be, but once you get to U16 they'll move most of the kids to their regional team because they need to make room for the U17 kids in the U17/U16 age group; then once those kids are U17's, all of a sudden OPDL is where they need to be again. A few weeks ago I saw a local regional team badly outplay two OPDL teams and a League 1 Reserve team. Was not at all impressed with those teams.
DeleteEveryone would be much better off if we just had a regional league covering Kingston to the Outaouais and limit it to 8 teams per age group (I would actually say 6 teams, but that would mean a big club would get relegated and they don't like that). Competition would be decent, very little travel and teams can always arrange games out of town for added competition. Sitting in a car for 10 hours to play a team which isn't very strong isn't in anyone's interest, especially when our system doesn't lead to anything in the end.
DeleteFunny, my kid is in the exact situation someone pointed out above - U16 player who played OPDL and is now on a regional team with a number of other kids in the same situation. Last night the boys had their asses handed to them (second time this season against this particular team) and while the game would have been more competitive if we had all the same players as last year's OPDL team, I'm not sure we've played a team quite as technically strong as last night. So I would be more than happy if we could avoid all the unnecessary travel and play the same handful of local teams a bunch of times each. The rest of our games this season have been reasonably competitive (although we would have done much better with our full team from last year), but concentrating all the top local players in one league or division would be a good thing in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteWould that be the Futuro 05's you are referring to?
DeleteYes, it's the '05 age group.
DeleteLook at the OPDL scores. Some games are 10-0 etc... Actually many of the games are blowouts. If the league was so competitive, most of the scores should be much closer. The Ottawa Clubs use it for marketing. Oh look at us, we are a OPDL CLUB! Give us your money parents!! It's a joke.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree there is a money component to it that perverts the whole thing, the idea is not bad. The league is well run and opportunities are there. But the caveats to add are numerous. Ottawa is too small for three clubs at that caliber. 2 clubs max. The travel time for 1 game at the younger ages is in large part responsible for these blowouts. Our team has been blown out on travel days as much as we blew teams out when they travel to us; It is not a really fair assessment of the actual team level of play. The traveling logistics are ridiculous. If you can afford all of it and reign in your team expectations and focus on development it's not a bad thing. If you just want to play local, just play local, OPDL is not the only way to make it for a player.
DeleteThose types of issues can only be solved by either going back to the OYSL model, where there is promotion/relegation and the best players likely gravitate to the teams playing in that league, or scrap OPDL and go to the regional-type league someone suggested above.
DeleteI personally never bought into the OPDL because after really looking around, I didn't see anything that came close to the coaching my kids have had, and they've had no problems otherwise finding competitive games to fill in the schedule. Those other issues you point out just make the decision that much easier.
What's the deal with OSU's PLSQ team? The standings don't reflect any of their games, even though they played them? The reserve team still shows up in the standings though.
ReplyDeleteNot sure, but it looks like the reserve team is done there too. They didn't play their full schedule, but aren't playing any more games either.
DeleteDidn't the Ottawa Super League clubs also NOT have to pay anything? Discipline fees? Charges? Face consequences? Anything? ha ha ha ha typical for soccer to have "someone with interest" on your side to sweep it under the rug. Who "judged" the local super league?. Soccer reeks (stench) of corruption at this and upper levels. Always.
ReplyDelete"Uefa calls for removal of European Super League court case judge"
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/28/uefa-calls-for-removal-of-european-super-league-court-case-judge
To the one who said that Futuro should play up a year. their U13 and U14 teams did not win their divisions playing their own age. In fact, their U14 team was not even top three.....
ReplyDeleteWhat league does Futuro plays in?
DeleteFUTURO lovers, the boys 06 squad just got scary better. Enjoy!
ReplyDeleteSeems to be alot of player movement around town. But yes, that '06 team looks to have picked up alot of new players, with some of them quite good. Curious what the issue is at their old club.
DeleteOSU?
ReplyDeleteThat U17 Futuro team is basically half of another team that jumped ship.
ReplyDeleteWas talking to a couple of the parents from that group that moved and they both indicated it was the best move they've made and wish they'd switched sooner.
DeleteWhat was the issue?
ReplyDeleteI don't think there was any real issue, and they didn't seem to be complaining about the old club, just that they find the training/experience better and their kids happier. I think they just went to see based on thing they had heard, liked what they saw and stayed.
DeleteThey left cause Futuro is the best club for player development. Some of these clubs focus on winning over individual development but you won’t hear them say it. The result is what you saw with the player movement.
DeleteWhy isn't Mundial FC able to play under their own name? Youth teams seem to be playing under Futsal Ottawa and they had some senior players playing under Hellenic (but that team was just removed from the league?).
ReplyDeleteFor the same reason you need a [picture this] 3 piece suit and a leather suitcase to carry around the "league[s]s rules books" so that if you pick your nose on the side lines, or the paper game sheet gets rained on, or you celebrate a neighbourhood's festival with a game or soccer, or [god forbid] you have the initiative to organize your neighbourhood's kid's into a team: archaic rules designed to secure that "the big clubs" don't have healthy competition.
DeleteYou need to get "their stamp of approval" to run a development section" from the same league they control.
I thought they are a not-for profit club and meet the criteria even under the old rules. As I understand it now, there wouldn't even be anything preventing a for-profit academy from entering leagues. And there are still academies affiliating under not-for-profit clubs. I was just surprised that they wouldn't be playing under their own name.
DeleteYou are likely correct, rules seemed to have changed. I am, being generalist, facetious, bitter and sarcastic. We (as well as others) went through that "laundry wash cycles" (our club's name on the kids team) with the "leagues" for years and years and the final slap on the face was the (local equivalent) of a "Super League" they wanted to create, leave out smaller clubs, and the whole reason of why this blog started. I made it my sole purpose in life to tell it like it is about the stench still lingering in the upper (soccer) league management leagues (EODSA and up). [I must clarify, the ERSL & OCSL were just collateral victims and had little control] But there are still individuals/clubs with lots of leverage left from that time and retrograde way of thinking. The extent of any (paid/salaried) help or guidance they purposely say they will give: is to tell you to go back and read the same rules & regulations, policies, by-laws, constitution, rules of the game, etc. you have about (question, help or clarification) to start with!
DeleteThe Canadian Men's national soccer team current success doesn't owe a dime to current local/regional/provincial "rules & regulations" development strategy. On the contrary, initiative & innovation by entrepreneurial clubs is stifled.
Quote: "Successful national set-ups – in whatever sport – don’t stay that way because they have access to more gifted people. Canadians are not naturally able to skate better than everyone else on Earth. They are successful because winning begets winning.
Winning creates an expectation, which drives interest, which attracts money, which draws the highest-value young athletes from other sports, and around and around it goes." (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/article-the-canadian-mens-soccer-team-is-on-a-roll-but-they-owe-a-debt-to-the/)
Unless you are directly involved in a team in the league; when was the last time the general community had any attraction or interest or inkling to know who was the winner of the game between the "OISC Centretown Tiber Wolves vs. the Futuro Nepean Rhinos vs Glocester's Titans"? Much less want to invest into.
But I digressed (apologies for that) and went on a [valid] rant. Re your question about: "Why isn't Mundial FC able to play under their own name?" Assuming you talking about "youth team" in the ERSL, their "rules" are:
DeleteARTICLE 4: MEMBERS
– Members of the League shall be a Club that meets all of the following conditions:
>The club has one or more of its teams that are eligible to play in one of the League competitions in accordance with published policies of the League >It applies for Membership and pays an annual Membership fee prior to the commencement of each season.
>It pays a Team Registration Fee for each team approved to play in competitions of the League prior to the commencement of each season.
>It abides by the By-laws and Rules and Regulations of the League.
Of which only these clubs (see link) can put their names on the rosters: https://www.ersl.ca/member-clubs/
Not sure about Hellenic, maybe they are in OPDL as others mention?
Also if I remember correctly, OS treated Academies different than Clubs. I mean (sarcasm again), those 10 yr kids are 9 foot giants on the field!
Academies are able to enter leagues now - you see it in the GTA since last year. Not sure what the issue is with Mundial though. Hellenic has nothing to do with OPDL, but Mundial was using one of their MC2 spots to put in a senior team in the OCSL. That team played one game, but is no longer listed, so there's something else going on (Hellenic had two MC2 spots originally, with one of them being used by Mundial).
DeleteThe OCSL LMB is turning the league into a joke by handing out spots to clubs on a whim, rather than sticking to a promotion/relegation system. The rules need to be changed to take that discretion away from them, because they obviously can't control themselves. They're giving spots to certain clubs just because they ask, and the teams playing in those spots are very often not competitive. Some teams are starting to complain that they are in MC1 or MC2 and should not be winning games by 8 or 10 goals - those games are usually against teams that were given a spot without earning it through promotion. With more options becoming available outside of our broken system, they need to make it more attractive for people to play in the league, rather than have people start questioning why they're even paying to register a team.
DeleteBest should play the best. That is why the Ontario Pathway is not what it should be. I think there is OPDL plus two separate Academy leagues, so all three leagues can not play each other. Merge all into one league with two tiers (with relegation and promotion). THAT would be a real pathway.
ReplyDeleteSaw the results a of our system couple of weeks ago. Won't name names, but one of the OPDL clubs has a particular team that has built a reputation as being very strong and is now playing in one of the men's divisions. They were recently smashed by a non-OPDL club (for the most part the same age), and it became very clear that this OPDL club built this team's reputation up through the OS/OPDL modus operandi - avoid competition and no one will know where you really stand. We saw it with L1O as well, where OSU teams did fairly well at the OPDL age groups, then couldn't compete in L1O (0-17-1 in their last season), where players from all streams end up playing. Seeing similar results now in PLSQ.
DeleteOur system in Canada and Ontario is broken, and Ottawa is probably the most dysfunctional of them all.
The 2009 boys Futuro team is lethal. How have they been doing against MTL and Toronto teams? The ERSL is too easy for them.
ReplyDeleteI feel this team is not doing well there at all. they are +37 GD in 3 games... who benefits from that? Them? not sure they develop in such games. The other team being smashed? Don't think so. Yes they are good, but this is not the right placing for this age group.
DeleteI agree, but there isn't much they can do about it because of the system we have. That said, while those games are blowouts and they do try to work on specific things in these types of games, the ERSL games are a small proportion of the team's overall number of games. They do play alot of competitive games throughout the year.
DeleteThe team didn't do well at the indoor Ontario Cup. Very different game though, so who knows.
DeleteThey can’t play up cause the 2008s have a team playing U14. A good group as well but not as good as the 09s. They lost a good player to OPDL though.
ReplyDeleteDriving 10 hours in one day to play one game says what is wrong with our system. Buyer beware….
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